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Jim Carlile |
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November 01, 2008 11:44:41pm |
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Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb |
Yeah, apparently the term "limited" in the Constitution now means 'finite'. Limited means limited though, but because property rights are what this is all about, it's not gonna change.
Actually-- from what I can find-- Google has no legal responsibility to provide downloads of the PD scans-- all they have to do is make them viewable under the library agreements-- just display. So, downloading is discretionary on their part right now, and who thinks it's gonna last? especially when they find that most of their 1922-1964 OOP books are also PD as well!
The new Settlement also requires them to very quickly identify all their PD scans-- all of them-- but they haven't so far.
BTW, Did Google strip all the color informations off their PD scans, or is that just my imagination? They seem smaller and all B/W.
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garthus |
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November 02, 2008 04:56:32am |
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This is exactly the situation with the Sam's Photofact series. They are charging for viewers to see their material almost all of which is Public Domain. This is why it is critical that this stuff get put up on Internet Archive as soon as possible. They admitted to me, (their legal department) that they screwed up by not renewing the copyrights and that they could not stop anyone from posting these materials. Since then I have purchased several thousand of their Photofact documents and have started scanning them for the Archive. Eventually when they realize that the materials are all up on the internet anyway, they will be wasting money with their scheme. Ebay is a good place to buy much of this stuff very inexpensively, the same applies to Google, it will be difficult for them to make any money from their scheming with the large publishers when much of their stuff will be posted in the Internet Archive.
Copylefted stuff created today is also very important, since in academia, much of what is written has some degree of plagiarism, once these materials are copylefted, the copyrighted materials being held by the publishing house will have been contaminated by the copylefeted stuff and they will be hoisted upon their own petard. It is only a matter of time before the so-called intellectual property rights arena will be obfuscated with these convoluted and unfair copyright statutes. The technologies are advancing much faster than the political scum and corporate greedsters realize.
Gerry
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Jim Carlile |
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November 02, 2008 02:43:02pm |
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Cool thing to do. Taking it into your own hands.
BTW, It's really obvious that google will soon be getting out of the free PD download business. That would explain why they are not complaining about tons of scans being placed into the Archive-- they'd love to have someone else take on this task. So there will still be a big role of the IA.
Google's rationale to themselves may even be that they don't want to compete with them when it comes to PD works!
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tammytroot |
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November 02, 2008 06:00:34pm |
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Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb |
I don't know anything about the technical or the copyright aspects of the Google material posted here, but I can say that 90% of the scans I've come across are very poor quality compared with the Microsoft scans.
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November 09, 2008 12:43:15am |
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"I don't know anything about the technical or the copyright aspects of the Google material posted here, but I can say that 90% of the scans I've come across are very poor quality compared with the Microsoft scans."
I downloaded all three of the Google copies of Poetics. Only one of them was without errors and even there the quality was marginal. It seems like the only reason to choose a Google scan over another version for a smaller file size. The quality is awful. I cannot imagine how they think people are going to pay them for copies of out-of-print works if these scans are representative of the quality.
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November 16, 2008 11:16:27pm |
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I too have been trying to use some of the texts posted from Google Books by tpb, and am totally appalled by the lack of any kind of quality in the submissions. Missing pages, inverted or blurred scans, and so forth. This is not preserving books for the future, this is just utterly irresponsible "make work" that has little or no value. How very disappointing, given the quality that TIA has always been noted for in the past!
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DE2164 |
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November 24, 2008 11:05:48am |
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I agree that that most all Google material is garbage.
Fortunately the descriptions have the fact they are Google scans and you can avoid them. Though if you have the thumbnails turned on you can see that the book is of very low quality too.
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Time Traveller |
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November 24, 2008 09:35:01pm |
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I think Google has been getting into trouble with copyright, could it be that they are degrading the quality of their scans on purpose, as a means of heading off legal action by pay-for-text publishers?
Anyway, thanks to you and others for the headzup on Google scans.
Peter in NZ
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stbalbach |
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November 25, 2008 06:26:17am |
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Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb |
Google knows it has quality control problems and more recently it has improved - but there are still a lot of older poor quality scans floating around. I could see Google releasing those older scans to Internet Archive with the idea that in the future they will be replaced with better quality ones. It might help explain why the Google watermark was removed. But just speculation.
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November 25, 2008 09:46:01pm |
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Sadly, they remain to pollute the IA servers and waste space. Not to mention the pain of having to use the advance seach feature just to avoid having to dig through them.
Yes, the files that Google have made in the last 8 months are much better. Still 50% batter quality is well below the quality expected from IA.
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lotusgreen~ |
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January 14, 2009 09:20:37am |
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i get so upset with tpb because whomever that is keeps uploading picture books without the pictures. at least they act as an index of sorts to google books because the google ones do have the images included.
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stbalbach |
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January 14, 2009 03:08:07pm |
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Interesting. Can you post a URL for example? I'd like to see it (or not in this case).
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lotusgreen~ |
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January 14, 2009 09:19:19pm |
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well whaddaya know! i forgive tpb everything!
but one question, if i may: is there a way to see the color version here before downloading the pdf?
i followed your instructions, but it downloaded the pdf; is there a way to see it?
and i wonder if there's a way to suggest to somebody that it would be great if these had color flipbooks....
thank you!
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stbalbach |
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January 14, 2009 09:26:31pm |
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The idea of Flip Book is exactly that, so you don't have to download the PDF. So yeah. It looks like a bug or error that should be reported. Good catch.
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lotusgreen~ |
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January 14, 2009 09:48:08pm |
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thanks! :^)
should i report it? (to whom???) or are you going to? (forgive me but i don't know if you work here or what....)
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lotusgreen~ |
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January 14, 2009 10:01:08pm |
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oh--you know what i just realized?: if you do not click on http but click directly on pdf you're immediately taken to the google page for the book with color examples of any illustrations. you download from there.
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stbalbach |
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January 15, 2009 05:46:35am |
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Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb |
Yeah.. but the Flip Book should still be in color. This forum is the place to report. Since this thread is old and down the list I may re-post a summary as a new post.
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lotusgreen~ |
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January 15, 2009 08:30:18am |
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thanks!
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